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that must have been for him. then tamerlan the older brother, 26 years old in this family that we are learning a lot about this morning, the 26-year-old who is now dead was -- had bullet wound in the shootout with the police after he and his brother threw explosives out of their moving car. unfortunately they could not save him at the hospital in order to get nor or ou get more out of him. he he had shrapnel in his body. which leads everybody to believe he was going to set off another bomb in this nightmare that has gripped this whole area of boston and cambridge and watertown, wonderful towns in great state of massachusetts that have been rocked in a way they have never experienced before. this it is a very difficult day and he is still at large, so we will continue with our breaking news coverage of this story. joined now by jon scott and jenna lee as well. jon: what an incredible 18 hours it has been, martha. just since 5:00pm eastern time yesterday when the police released the pictures, the fbi released these pictures, to you will lee not these pictures, b but -- released thes
: eric shawn live in boston. eric, thank you. we are still trying to get to the real story on tamerlan tsarnaev's trip to russia last year and his possible ties to terrorism and islamic extremism. chief intelligence correspondent catherine herridge is following that thread tonight. >> the fbi's handling of tamerlan tsarnaev in 2011 and six-month trip to russia the following year now face congressional scrutiny. >> was your department aware of his travels to russia and, if you weren't, the reason? >> yes. the system pinged when he was leaving the united states. by the time he returned all investigations had been -- the matter had been closed. >> napolitano said the lookout system that flags agents federal investigation no longer active when tamerlan returned from russia in july of 2012. >> the system picked up departure but did not pick him coming back, correct? >> the fbi text alert on him at that point was more than a year old and had expired. >> napolitano's pluck contradict briefing given by the fbi director. >> after talking to the fbi they told me they had no knowledge of him leav
and tamerlan, the older brother, stood up and argued. then in january there was a praise for martin luther king jr. and he got up and called someone a hypocrite. he had to leave. >>gretchen: ostensibly this younger guy didn't know anything about the bombing until a week before. if that is true, that lends to what we were discussing this morning that he was just an underling. it brings out the story that the parents were absent. the parents had gone back to russia and this 19-year-old kid was able to be swayed by the older brother. it appears he was the one that radicalized himself. i'm not saying he's not to blame at all. >>brian: there's no way you should believe -- everyone's apparently running with this story. you've got to be kidding me. you question him for 90 seconds as he's come out of a harrowing situation like this. he's in self-preservation mode. this guy needs to be questioned for a couple of weeks, needs to see if his story line is up. then you've got to drill down on it with professional interrogators. he does not need to see his miranda rights read to him in bed. laughable. >>stev
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